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Gripping listeners and readers for more than 2,700 years, 'The Iliad' is the story of the Trojan War and the rage of Achilles. Combining the skills of a poet and scholar, Robert Fagles brings the energy of contemporary language to this enduring heroic epic. If 'The Iliad' is the world's greatest war story, then 'The Odyssey' is literature's greatest evocation of every man' Gripping listeners and readers for more than 2,700 years, 'The Iliad' is the story of the Trojan War and the rage of Achilles. Combining the skills of a poet and scholar, Robert Fagles brings the energy of contemporary language to this enduring heroic epic. If 'The Iliad' is the world's greatest war story, then 'The Odyssey' is literature's greatest evocation of every man's journey through life. Here again, Fagles has performed the translator's task magnificently, giving us an Odyssey to read aloud, to savor, and to treasure for its sheer lyrical mastery. Each volume contains a superb introduction with textual and critical commentary by renowned classicist Bernard Knox.


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Gripping listeners and readers for more than 2,700 years, 'The Iliad' is the story of the Trojan War and the rage of Achilles. Combining the skills of a poet and scholar, Robert Fagles brings the energy of contemporary language to this enduring heroic epic. If 'The Iliad' is the world's greatest war story, then 'The Odyssey' is literature's greatest evocation of every man' Gripping listeners and readers for more than 2,700 years, 'The Iliad' is the story of the Trojan War and the rage of Achilles. Combining the skills of a poet and scholar, Robert Fagles brings the energy of contemporary language to this enduring heroic epic. If 'The Iliad' is the world's greatest war story, then 'The Odyssey' is literature's greatest evocation of every man's journey through life. Here again, Fagles has performed the translator's task magnificently, giving us an Odyssey to read aloud, to savor, and to treasure for its sheer lyrical mastery. Each volume contains a superb introduction with textual and critical commentary by renowned classicist Bernard Knox.

30 review for The Iliad & The Odyssey, with Historical & Geographical background

  1. 5 out of 5

    Ahmad Sharabiani

    Ἰλιάς ; Ὀδύσσεια = The Iliad and Odyssey, Homer The Iliad is an ancient Greek epic poem in dactylic hexameter, traditionally attributed to Homer. Set during the Trojan War, the ten-year siege of the city of Troy (Ilium) by a coalition of Greek states, it tells of the battles and events during the weeks of a quarrel between King Agamemnon and the warrior Achilles. The Iliad Characters: Ajax, Odysseus, Helen of Troy, Menelaus, Paris, Hector, Achilles, Agamemnon, Aeneas, Sarpedon, Priam, Cassandra, Ἰλιάς ; Ὀδύσσεια = The Iliad and Odyssey, Homer The Iliad is an ancient Greek epic poem in dactylic hexameter, traditionally attributed to Homer. Set during the Trojan War, the ten-year siege of the city of Troy (Ilium) by a coalition of Greek states, it tells of the battles and events during the weeks of a quarrel between King Agamemnon and the warrior Achilles. The Iliad Characters: Ajax, Odysseus, Helen of Troy, Menelaus, Paris, Hector, Achilles, Agamemnon, Aeneas, Sarpedon, Priam, Cassandra, Patroclus, Diomedes, Ajax Oileus, Andromache, Briseis, Hecuba, Nestor, Akhilleus The Odyssey is one of two major ancient Greek epic poems attributed to Homer. It is, in part, a sequel to the Iliad, the other work ascribed to Homer. The Odyssey is fundamental to the modern Western canon, and is the second-oldest extant work of Western literature; the Iliad is the oldest. Scholars believe the Odyssey was composed near the end of the 8th century BC, somewhere in Ionia, the Greek coastal region of Anatolia. The Odyssey Characters: Odysseus, Penelope, Helen of Troy, Achilles, Agamemnon, Telemachus, Minerva, Polyphemus تاریخ نخستین خوانش: روز نخست ماه دسامبر سال 2009 میلادی عنوان: ایلیاد و اودیسه (ادیسه)؛ هومر؛ مترجم: سعید نفیسی؛ تهران، هرمس، 1387، در 1005 ص، شابک: 9789643634568؛ این کتاب پیشتر با برگردان همین مترجم با دو عنوان جداگانه «ایلیاد» و «ادیسه» نیز چاپ شده است آثار به جای مانده از هومر، دو گلچین شعر به نام‌های ایلیاد و ادیسه است. همه‌ ی آنچه که درباره تاریخ و افسانه‌ های یونان باستان می‌دانیم، از همین شعرها برگرفته شده‌؛ در ایلیاد، هومر داستان جنگ تروا را میسراید، و در ادیسه ده سال سفر ادیسئوس در بازگشت از جنگ تروا را. ... ا. شربیانی

  2. 4 out of 5

    Ashkan Ansari

    جدا از جایگاه خود اثر هومر، ترجمه سعید نفیسی هم کم مانند است. هرچند که برای کسانی که به خواندن ترجمه های رمان های سبک غربی عادت دارند، کمی سنگین است اما خواندنش بی گمان جذاب است

  3. 5 out of 5

    Lucinda Reed-Nowland

    The best story ever-it has everything-love, romance, war, brave, handsome men, exotic places, monsters, beautiful women-its all in these two stories. Odysseus is my all-time favorite hero, and although he is a brave hero, he has his faults and it's this combination that makes him so lovable and what makes this story one of the greatest of all time. The text can be difficult to read, and following the who's who of the gods and goddesses can be quite a feat. I've read it several times, I never get The best story ever-it has everything-love, romance, war, brave, handsome men, exotic places, monsters, beautiful women-its all in these two stories. Odysseus is my all-time favorite hero, and although he is a brave hero, he has his faults and it's this combination that makes him so lovable and what makes this story one of the greatest of all time. The text can be difficult to read, and following the who's who of the gods and goddesses can be quite a feat. I've read it several times, I never get tired of it.

  4. 4 out of 5

    Patricia

    Other than the gruesome, violent images often presented in magnificent detail (hey, it is a war!), I really enjoy reading Homer's epic poem. Where else are we given such insight into stubborn Agamemnon, noble Hector, intelligent and well-spoken Odysseus, lazy and spineless Paris, guilt-ridden Helen, the wrath of the warrior Achille's and how vain he can be? We can identify with Trojan and Greek alike, agonizing with both sides over the destructiveness of war. We get the inside story on all the G Other than the gruesome, violent images often presented in magnificent detail (hey, it is a war!), I really enjoy reading Homer's epic poem. Where else are we given such insight into stubborn Agamemnon, noble Hector, intelligent and well-spoken Odysseus, lazy and spineless Paris, guilt-ridden Helen, the wrath of the warrior Achille's and how vain he can be? We can identify with Trojan and Greek alike, agonizing with both sides over the destructiveness of war. We get the inside story on all the Greek and Trojan heroes and what makes them tick. And best of all, we get a behind-the-scenes, humorous look at the Greek gods; their strengths, weaknesses and all the squabbles and fuss that take place between them. The Iliad is really incomplete without The Odyssey, so I will be reading and reviewing that book as well. I had read a synopsis of the adventures of Odysseus in high school, but it was nice to read the entire epic poem to get the full story. Odysseus is an intelligent, cunning hero and you are really rooting for him by the time he finally makes it home from his long journey and is ready to take action against the usurpers of his household. So many stories of this time period end in tragedy, it's nice that there is a satisfactory end to Odysseus's story after so many years of pain and heartache for him and his family. I enjoyed The Odyssey more than The Iliad because it seems a more intimate story overall. We really come to know the man Odysseus, his son Telemachus and wife, Penelope through their thoughts and interactions with others. The Iliad takes place during the Trojan war and focuses on the Greek and Trojan warriors and what takes place on the battlefield. The Odyssey is not quite a continuation of the Iliad, but takes place 10 years after the end of the Trojan war from which the great warrior Odysseus never returned. It seems he had some trouble on the high seas and on various islands along the way and has been unable to make it home. In the meantime, his home has been invaded by suitors who think he is dead and want to marry Penelope. Telemachus is not strong or powerful enough to throw them out and goes on a journey to find news of his father. With the help of the gods, Odysseus and Telemachus are finally able to defend their home. I would recommend reading both The Iliad and Odyssey together but if you're only going to pick up one, read The Odyssey.

  5. 5 out of 5

    Keivan

    The translation was pretty readable. This is part of the Great Books of the western world Collection that I have set out to read. Ulysses is my favorite Greek hero.Always was always will be. I read parts of some butchered version in high-school but this one seems to have satisfied my goddess needs. I think we perhaps need some revitalization of the sentiments present in these books to save America from going down the cultural tubes. When the Odyssey is replaced with the "jersey Shore" cannot possi The translation was pretty readable. This is part of the Great Books of the western world Collection that I have set out to read. Ulysses is my favorite Greek hero.Always was always will be. I read parts of some butchered version in high-school but this one seems to have satisfied my goddess needs. I think we perhaps need some revitalization of the sentiments present in these books to save America from going down the cultural tubes. When the Odyssey is replaced with the "jersey Shore" cannot possibley turn out well. How could i rate such a classic any less than 5 stars!?

  6. 5 out of 5

    نقد روز

    در ایلیاد هومر، جنگی که به تصویر کشیده می شود بسیار وحشتناک، پرخشونت و بی حاصل است. در این داستان هیچ برنده مشخصی وجود ندارد. به خاطر غرور و تصمیمات احساسی که گرفته می شود، آدم های زیادی کشته می شوند. خود آشیل هم ابتدا با امتناع از حضور در نبرد و تنها گذاشتن ارتش یونان، و سپس با عدم تشویق پاتروکل به شرکت در نبرد، باعث مرگ دوستش می شود. حتی اولین اقدام داستان که باعث بروز این جنگ می شود، یعنی دزدیده شدن هلن توسط پاریس هم اقدامی عجولانه و خودخواهانه است. در ماجراهای ایلیاد، خواست و اراده زئوس نقش در ایلیاد هومر، جنگی که به تصویر کشیده می شود بسیار وحشتناک، پرخشونت و بی حاصل است. در این داستان هیچ برنده مشخصی وجود ندارد. به خاطر غرور و تصمیمات احساسی که گرفته می شود، آدم های زیادی کشته می شوند. خود آشیل هم ابتدا با امتناع از حضور در نبرد و تنها گذاشتن ارتش یونان، و سپس با عدم تشویق پاتروکل به شرکت در نبرد، باعث مرگ دوستش می شود. حتی اولین اقدام داستان که باعث بروز این جنگ می شود، یعنی دزدیده شدن هلن توسط پاریس هم اقدامی عجولانه و خودخواهانه است. در ماجراهای ایلیاد، خواست و اراده زئوس نقش مهمی ایفا می کند. اراده او لغزش ناپذیر است. به همین دلیل تمام اتفاقات همان طور که پیش بینی شده است رخ می دهند و کسی نمی تواند مانع شود. با این حال در جریان وقوع این اتفاقات سطحی از انعطاف پذیری دیده می شود. این انعطاف پذیری و به طبع آن، تغییراتی که به وجود می آید کاری است که خدایان سطح پایین تر انجام می دهند. اقدامات انسان های فانی هم در این فرآیند بی تاثیر نیست. ولی این تغییرات آن چنان که باید گسترده نیست. آپولو می تواند یونان را به طاعون دچار کند و آفرودیت می تواند در بعضی از مبارزه ها مانع کشته شدن پاریس شود. ولی در نهایت، یونانی ها به تروا حمله می کنند و پاریس هم می میرد. وقتی انسان های فانی به فکر مقابله با اراده زئوس می افتند، نتایج حتی از این هم غم انگیزتر می شود. چون آن ها فانی هستند، اقداماتی که انجام می دهند تاثیر مستقیمی بر روی همراهان و زندگی شان می گذارد. در داستان، خدایان هم بابت این که نمی توانند انسان های فانی مورد علاقه خود را نجات دهند احساس تاسف می کنند، ولی چنین تاسفی قابل مقایسه با میزان ناراحتی آشیل هنگام مرگ پاتروکل نیست. در ایلیاد، مرگ و مبارزه آن چنان که باید غرورآفرین به تصویر کشیده نشده است. مبارزان شجاع به شهرت، ثروت، غذا و زنان دست پیدا می کنند، جنگجویان جوان تر هم به دنبال ماجراجویی های عاشقانه هستند. ولی اگر نگاهی دقیق تر به متن بیاندازیم متوجه می شویم که هومر در داستان مرگ های زیادی را با جزئیات بالا توصیف می کند. بیش تر این مرگ ها نقش مهمی در طرح داستانی ندارند. تنها با این هدف در داستان گنجانده شده اند که به خواننده نشان دهند که هیچ مرگی را نباید مورد بی توجهی قرار داد یا دست کم گرفت. این نوع توصیف ها که ایلیاد ارائه می دهد از جنس واقع گرایی است که در فیلم هایی همچون نجات سرباز رایان (استیون اسپیلبرگ – ۱۹۹۸) می بینیم. ادامه نقد در سایت نقد روز: http://naqderooz.ir/ho

  7. 4 out of 5

    Christina

    It didn't take me long to figure out that I'm not a Homer girl. I think the problem was partly that after years of taking in entertaining, probably dumbed down versions of the stories, the reality ended up a bit of a let down. Another problem was I had trouble liking any of the characters. Achilles? Hector? Even Odysseus? Ugh! Whiney, deceitful, and not very likeable! The Iliad was pretty painful to get through. I forced myself to finish and didn't even get a payoff in the end. What happened to T It didn't take me long to figure out that I'm not a Homer girl. I think the problem was partly that after years of taking in entertaining, probably dumbed down versions of the stories, the reality ended up a bit of a let down. Another problem was I had trouble liking any of the characters. Achilles? Hector? Even Odysseus? Ugh! Whiney, deceitful, and not very likeable! The Iliad was pretty painful to get through. I forced myself to finish and didn't even get a payoff in the end. What happened to Troy?! Andromache?! Priam?! The Iliad won't tell you! The sacking of Troy is alluded to in the Odyssey with a brief overview of the Trojan Horse and the men hiding in it. That's it! The Odyssey was better than the Iliad, maybe 2 stars. I have a bit of a complex now that I've read the books and not liked them. I consider myself a fairly intelligent person, but I just couldn't connect with these classic works of literature that have been read by, and enjoyed by countless people for centuries.

  8. 4 out of 5

    1marcus

    The “Iliad and the Odyssey” keeps you on the edge of your seat from the beginning of the story to the end. I’m not into books like this one but I LOVED this book. The adventure, mystery, and the understanding of pre-history are great for anyone who wants to read this book. All these things made me want to read the book over again and even write a book review on it. First the adventure is wild from the start. Fighting the Cyclopes and winning made me think that no matter what the size of the pers The “Iliad and the Odyssey” keeps you on the edge of your seat from the beginning of the story to the end. I’m not into books like this one but I LOVED this book. The adventure, mystery, and the understanding of pre-history are great for anyone who wants to read this book. All these things made me want to read the book over again and even write a book review on it. First the adventure is wild from the start. Fighting the Cyclopes and winning made me think that no matter what the size of the person or object I can win if I put my mind to it and want it bad enough. Adventure keeps me reading the book. If the book doesn’t have adventure I will close the book and go do something else with my time but I didn’t have to do that once with this book. Next the mystery keeps you guessing you think you know hats going to happen but you don’t. The author “Homer” does a great job of that this makes one keep reading and keep guessing until you get to the end the story. If you know what’s going to happen in the story why keep reading the book that would be a waste of time you can go do something else with your time like go outside and work on your jump shot or something like that. Never will you have to do that with this book. Last the understanding of the pre-history is good for one if they are trying to learn about ancient history. One person said “The "Odyssey" is a magnificent piece of literature that we find absolutely spectacular in the fact of its potential for helping us understand pre-history of many ancient cultures, and because of the fact that it is so well written and perhaps one of the first "books" (epics) ever written down. We hope that you find Homer's "Odyssey" enjoyable whether you are reading it for school, for study, or for pleasure.”(http://library.thinkquest.org/19300/d...) After reading the book I knew so much about ancient history I passed all my test with all A’s with no problem In conclusion I hope my three reasons have you wanting to read this book. The adventure, mystery, and the understanding of pre-history are great for anyone who wants to read this book. Now I have informed you about the book now it’s up to you to see what are you going to do either read this great book or just go on with your life ignorant. What will you do

  9. 4 out of 5

    Osama Abdel Qader

    @مجدي كامل المنياوي صاحب هذا الكتاب سارق رسمي... ينسخ عن النت والمنتديات وويكيبيديا بالحرف... طبعا خلال 5 سنوات طبع في دار الكوبي-بيست العربي-القاهرة...وأعني ما يسمى دار الكتاب العربي ما يقارب المائة كتاب...بحسبة بسيطة فإنه يؤلف كتاب كل 18 يوم و 6 ساعات.... طبعا هذا لا يعقل ولا يمر إلا على الأغبياء... فهو وفريقه مجرد مرتزقة كتب لا يقرأون حتى ما ينسخون من ويكيبيديا والمنتديات..فتجدها بنفس الأخطاء المطبعية.... في معرض الكتاب في الشارقة 2013 وجدت لهم قسم كبير...من الواضح أنهم يحسنون صنعا من ناحية البزن @مجدي كامل المنياوي صاحب هذا الكتاب سارق رسمي... ينسخ عن النت والمنتديات وويكيبيديا بالحرف... طبعا خلال 5 سنوات طبع في دار الكوبي-بيست العربي-القاهرة...وأعني ما يسمى دار الكتاب العربي ما يقارب المائة كتاب...بحسبة بسيطة فإنه يؤلف كتاب كل 18 يوم و 6 ساعات.... طبعا هذا لا يعقل ولا يمر إلا على الأغبياء... فهو وفريقه مجرد مرتزقة كتب لا يقرأون حتى ما ينسخون من ويكيبيديا والمنتديات..فتجدها بنفس الأخطاء المطبعية.... في معرض الكتاب في الشارقة 2013 وجدت لهم قسم كبير...من الواضح أنهم يحسنون صنعا من ناحية البزنيس....وتعرفت على الشخص الموجود وقال أنه ابن صاحب الدار....وأفرغت له ما في جعبتي من أنهم مجرد دار نشر تخدع القراء وتستغفلهم ...وقلت له أن مجدي كامل لا يسوى 5 قروش في عالم التأليف...فقال لي أن هذا غريب ﻷن الكتب تدقق مرتين قبل الطباعة...وانه يدفع فلوس جيدا لمجدي كامل ﻷن "سعره غالي".... فقط اقرأوا ماذا يقول عنكم القراء في موقع goodreads... أنتم مجرد ##### طباعين.... ووعدته أن أحضر له كتاب "سقوط دولة الفيزا كارد" للسارق المدعو مجدي كامل حتى يرى بنفسه الكوبي بيست لصفحات بالعشرات من ويكيبيديا ومنتديات ومواقع إخبارية مع تكرارات مخزية لصفحات كاملة فهم لا يكلفون نفسهم قراءة ما ينسخون..... لكل زمان مرتزقته وتجاره ..

  10. 5 out of 5

    محمد الهاشمي

    الإلياذة والأوديسة في نظري تستحقان أكثر من خمس نجوم..فقط هذه النسخة التي ترجمها مجدي كامل لم تكن الأفضل في نظري. قرأت نسخة بعدها بدت أفضل. لو تسنى الوقت لوجدت الكتاب ووضعت اسم المترجم وأظن أنها نسخة صدرت عن المجمع الثقافي بأبوظبي -لست متأكدا-. عموما هاتين الملحمتين فاقتا كل حدود الأزمنة وختمتا على عصور ما قبل التاريخ شعار بداية جديدة مليئة بالخيال الممتزج بالواقع وهو ما صنع فعلا عهد "التاريخ" لحضارة البشر. هذا الخيال لربما أسس بدوره دعائم فلسفة الدين والكينونة فيما بعد ولربما أنه أيضاً شكل الكثي الإلياذة والأوديسة في نظري تستحقان أكثر من خمس نجوم..فقط هذه النسخة التي ترجمها مجدي كامل لم تكن الأفضل في نظري. قرأت نسخة بعدها بدت أفضل. لو تسنى الوقت لوجدت الكتاب ووضعت اسم المترجم وأظن أنها نسخة صدرت عن المجمع الثقافي بأبوظبي -لست متأكدا-. عموما هاتين الملحمتين فاقتا كل حدود الأزمنة وختمتا على عصور ما قبل التاريخ شعار بداية جديدة مليئة بالخيال الممتزج بالواقع وهو ما صنع فعلا عهد "التاريخ" لحضارة البشر. هذا الخيال لربما أسس بدوره دعائم فلسفة الدين والكينونة فيما بعد ولربما أنه أيضاً شكل الكثير من أسس منظومة أخلاق ولاوعي البشرية

  11. 5 out of 5

    David Withun

    The Iliad and the Odyssey are, of course, must-reads. It's hard to comment on classics like these, but, for those who haven't yet read them: I think the Odyssey is more entertaining than the Iliad because the action continues throughout whereas the Iliad has many breaks in the action to engage in the kind of lists of unpronounceable names you see in some places in the Old Testament of the Bible. Both of them are, however, fantastic.

  12. 4 out of 5

    ✨Tamara

    It's a damn Greek tragedy! The Iliad takes us through the battle of Troy and the Greek invasion. We are able to Marvel at great warriors like Hector and Achilles. We are able to hear of their struggles and their woes and eventually their deaths. The Odyssey takes us through the 10-year struggle to return home after the Trojan War has ended. Odysseus battles mystical creatures and the Wrath of the Gods as he tries desperately to come back home to his throne. Homer is definitely a master of the Greek It's a damn Greek tragedy! The Iliad takes us through the battle of Troy and the Greek invasion. We are able to Marvel at great warriors like Hector and Achilles. We are able to hear of their struggles and their woes and eventually their deaths. The Odyssey takes us through the 10-year struggle to return home after the Trojan War has ended. Odysseus battles mystical creatures and the Wrath of the Gods as he tries desperately to come back home to his throne. Homer is definitely a master of the Greek epic. His writing resembles that of a playwright of modern day and even harkens back to a bit of Shakespearean feeling in the emotion of the characters. This is definitely a classic for the ages and in my opinion one that should be read once by everyone.

  13. 4 out of 5

    Elsa K

    3.5 I only read "The Odyssey" this time through. I haven't read it since high school and have been wanting to read it again. It is obviously well written and a classic. The 'legend/epic' style is different from what I normally read, but I enjoyed it. As a female though I couldn't help but get annoyed with Odysseus sleeping with goddesses etc. while Penelope is pining away for him. Although, I also got annoyed at Penelope's inability to send the suitors away, so maybe they were meant for each oth 3.5 I only read "The Odyssey" this time through. I haven't read it since high school and have been wanting to read it again. It is obviously well written and a classic. The 'legend/epic' style is different from what I normally read, but I enjoyed it. As a female though I couldn't help but get annoyed with Odysseus sleeping with goddesses etc. while Penelope is pining away for him. Although, I also got annoyed at Penelope's inability to send the suitors away, so maybe they were meant for each other? Some of the fighting scenes got too gruesome for me. Also, why is Athena so committed to Odysseus? I started reading "Anna Karenina" in the middle of it and kind of had to force myself to finish this one. Still an enjoyable read that everyone should be familiar with.

  14. 5 out of 5

    Lisa (Harmonybites)

    Together these two works attributed to Homer are considered among the oldest surviving works of Western literature, dating to probably the eighth century BCE, and are certainly among the most influential. I can't believe I once found Homer boring. In my defense, I was a callow teen, and having a book assigned in school often tends to perversely make you hate it. But then I had a "Keats conversion experience." Keats famously wrote a poem in tribute to a translation of Homer by Chapman who, Keats Together these two works attributed to Homer are considered among the oldest surviving works of Western literature, dating to probably the eighth century BCE, and are certainly among the most influential. I can't believe I once found Homer boring. In my defense, I was a callow teen, and having a book assigned in school often tends to perversely make you hate it. But then I had a "Keats conversion experience." Keats famously wrote a poem in tribute to a translation of Homer by Chapman who, Keats wrote, opened to him "realms of gold." My Chapman was Fitzgerald, although on a reread of The Odyssey I tried the Fagles translation and really enjoyed it. Obviously, the translation is key if you're not reading in the original Greek, and I recommend looking at several side by side to see which one best suits. A friend of mine who is a classicist says she prefers The Illiad--that she thinks it the more mature book. The Illiad deals with just a few weeks in the last year of the decade-long Trojan War. As the opening lines state, it deals with how the quarrel between the Greek's great hero Achilles and their leader Agamemnon "caused the Akhaians loss on bitter loss and crowded brave souls into the undergloom." So, essentially, The Illiad is a war story. One close to three thousand years old with a mindset very alien to ours. One where unending glory was seen as a great good over personal survival or family. One where all felt that their ends were fated. And one with curiously human, or at least petty, gods. Some see the work as jingoistic, even pro-war, and I suppose it can be read that way, but what struck me was the compassion with which Homer wrote of both sides. We certainly care for the Trojan Hector as much as or more (in my case much more) than for the sulky and explosive Achilles. For the Trojan King Priam as much or more (in my case much more) than King Agamemnon. Homer certainly doesn't obscure the pity, the waste, and the grief war brings. And there are plenty of scenes in the work that I found unforgettable: The humorous scene where Aphrodite is wounded and driven from the field. The moving scene between Hector and his wife and child. The grief Helen feels in losing a friend. The confrontation between Priam and Achilles. I do love The Illiad, but I'd give The Odyssey a slight edge. Even just reading general Greek mythology, Odysseus was always a favorite, because unlike figures such as Achilles or Heracles he succeeded on his wits, not muscle. It's true, on this reread, especially in contrast to say The Illiad's Hector, I do see Odysseus' dark side. The man is a pirate and at times rash, hot-tempered, even vicious. But I do feel for his pining for home and The Odyssey is filled with such a wealth of incident--the Cyclops, Circe, Scylla and Charybdis, the Sirens--and especially Hades, the forerunner of Dante's Hell. And though my friend is right that the misogynist ancient Greek culture isn't where you go for strong heroines, I love Penelope; described as the "matchless queen of cunning," she's a worthy match for the crafty Odysseus. The series of recognition scenes on Ithaca are especially moving and memorable--I think my favorite and the most poignant being that of Odysseus' dog Argos. Epic poems about 2,700 years old, in the right translation both works can nevertheless speak to me more eloquently than many a contemporary novel.

  15. 5 out of 5

    Maha

    الصفحات البيضاء كثيرة و التكرار أكثر و الأخطاء الإملائية لا تحتمل أستفدت منه القليل فقط

  16. 5 out of 5

    Eva

    28/04/2018 I've been reading the Oddysey with a book club and I must say that added a lot to my reading experience. I noticed more, I laughed more, I analysed more. Overall, I enjoyed reading this book and I'm happy I've done so. I don't have a rating, because it feels wrong to rate a book that has been around for over 2000 years. Who am I in comparison? ----------------------------- 6/12/2018 We've now seen The Illiad in class. That means I've read parts of it in Ancient Greek and parts in Dutch. 28/04/2018 I've been reading the Oddysey with a book club and I must say that added a lot to my reading experience. I noticed more, I laughed more, I analysed more. Overall, I enjoyed reading this book and I'm happy I've done so. I don't have a rating, because it feels wrong to rate a book that has been around for over 2000 years. Who am I in comparison? ----------------------------- 6/12/2018 We've now seen The Illiad in class. That means I've read parts of it in Ancient Greek and parts in Dutch. I've seen the entire story in detail, so I consider it read. We'll see The Oddyssey in class next semester, so I'll also read parts of it in the original Greek. I have read the entire thing in Dutch already.

  17. 4 out of 5

    Samuel Saint-Denis-Lisée

    Après avoir tant entendu parler de l'Iliade et de l'Odyssée, j'ai trouvé la lecture de l’œuvre originale (traduite) intéressante. Bien que les nombreuses comparaisons et références aux divinités grecques m'aient fait perdre le fil du texte à certains moments, j'ai pu voir pourquoi cette œuvre a traversé les âges et est considérée comme un chef-d’œuvre. C'est une lecture à faire au moins une fois dans sa vie.

  18. 5 out of 5

    ♥Mary♦Sweet♣Dreams♠Are♥Made♦of♣This♠

    I really enjoyed reading Homer's Odyssey and Iliad. I actually read this book of my own volition and not because I had to for school. The stories are very unique and captivating. You'll be sitting on the edge of your chair. I recommend this book to anyone who likes mythology of any kind. I enjoyed it so much that I believe I'll give it another read after so many years and an adequate review.

  19. 4 out of 5

    Erich Franz Linner-Guzmann

    Epic!

  20. 5 out of 5

    Salva

    Couldn't finish it, that's a pity! Lost track of the story as the time gap grew larger... But I may reread it one day as I enjoyed it pretty much.

  21. 4 out of 5

    Greg Pitts

    After being force-fed this epic poem in school I was stunned by how much I loved it! I don't even know who's translation I first read, but I've read The Iliad twice since, and Fagles' translation is the best yet. Beautiful imagery and really exciting battle scenes (really!) explaining the loyalties of The Gods and their favorites on Earth. This book is not a chore like we have been led to believe. Trust me, I don't go out seeking ancient Greek poems. But this is great stuff and Fagles' translati After being force-fed this epic poem in school I was stunned by how much I loved it! I don't even know who's translation I first read, but I've read The Iliad twice since, and Fagles' translation is the best yet. Beautiful imagery and really exciting battle scenes (really!) explaining the loyalties of The Gods and their favorites on Earth. This book is not a chore like we have been led to believe. Trust me, I don't go out seeking ancient Greek poems. But this is great stuff and Fagles' translation led me to buy his Homer's Odyssey to read it for the first time. Simply beautiful! This stuff can get violent so steel yourselves. I was so impressed and moved by his translations I tried to email Dr. Fagles to let him know, only to find out that, sadly, he had passed away a few months earlier. If you have the slightest interest, please do yourselves a favor and dive into his translations of these astounding works of literature. And then...hit the trifecta and do The Aeneid!

  22. 5 out of 5

    Anastasia

    Finished! Finally done. *I've read it for my Foreign literature class. It took me a month, and not because it was boring or anything (although some chapters were less exciting than others), it's just really hard to read because of the metre - hexameter. Not a natural metre for a Russian poetry, so it was unusual. But I did like this book. Especially all those gruesome descriptions of death. It was sort of fascinating. Also I did like a lot of the characters - Andromache, Achilles, Hector, Patrok Finished! Finally done. *I've read it for my Foreign literature class. It took me a month, and not because it was boring or anything (although some chapters were less exciting than others), it's just really hard to read because of the metre - hexameter. Not a natural metre for a Russian poetry, so it was unusual. But I did like this book. Especially all those gruesome descriptions of death. It was sort of fascinating. Also I did like a lot of the characters - Andromache, Achilles, Hector, Patroklos. There was not much of a beginning or an ending to this story, but Homer truly was a genius of epic poems, even though a lot of people agree he was just a generalized character.

  23. 4 out of 5

    Maciej Bliziński

    At the core of Western culture, there is ancient Rome and Greece, and at the core of the ancient Roman and Greek culture, there is Homer. When reading, I really did feel that the Iliad and Odyssey contain the basic building blocks of the Western way of thinking. For example, Achilles and Odysseus were arguing about what to do next, and each could make a case that sounded convincing. But the ideas were not equally good. This translation uses plain English, with no hexameter of rhymes, which helped At the core of Western culture, there is ancient Rome and Greece, and at the core of the ancient Roman and Greek culture, there is Homer. When reading, I really did feel that the Iliad and Odyssey contain the basic building blocks of the Western way of thinking. For example, Achilles and Odysseus were arguing about what to do next, and each could make a case that sounded convincing. But the ideas were not equally good. This translation uses plain English, with no hexameter of rhymes, which helped me focus on the story.

  24. 5 out of 5

    Damon

    The Illiad is very rambling and quite boring.

  25. 4 out of 5

    Modesta

    Amazing!! ♡

  26. 5 out of 5

    Chioma

    I like the Iliad much better than the Odyssey.

  27. 4 out of 5

    Matt

    THE ILIAD The wrath of Achilles not only begins the oldest piece of Western literature, but is also its premise. The Iliad has been the basis of numerous clichés in literature, but at its root it is a story of a war that for centuries was told orally before being put down by Homer in which the great heroes of Greece fought for honor and glory that the men of Homer’s day could only imagine achieving. The story of the Trojan War is well known and most people who have not read The Iliad assume they k THE ILIAD The wrath of Achilles not only begins the oldest piece of Western literature, but is also its premise. The Iliad has been the basis of numerous clichés in literature, but at its root it is a story of a war that for centuries was told orally before being put down by Homer in which the great heroes of Greece fought for honor and glory that the men of Homer’s day could only imagine achieving. The story of the Trojan War is well known and most people who have not read The Iliad assume they know what happens, but in fact at the end of the poem the city of Troy still stands and a wooden horse has not been mentioned. The Iliad tells of several weeks in the last year of the war that revolve around the dishonorable actions of Agamemnon that leads to Achilles refusing to fight with the rest of the Greeks and the disaster it causes in the resulting engagements against the Trojans. But then Achilles allows his friend Patroclus to lead his men into battle to save the Greek ships from being put to the torch only for Patroclus to advance to the walls of Troy and be slain by Hector. The wrath of Achilles turns from Agamemnon to Hector and the Trojans, leading to the death of Troy’s greatest warrior and the poem ending with his funeral. Although the actions of Achilles and Hector take prominence, there are several other notable “storylines” one doesn’t know unless you’ve read epic. First and foremost is Diomedes, the second greatest fighter amongst the Greeks but oftentimes overlooked when it comes to adaptations especially to other important individuals like Odysseus, Menelaus, and the pivotal Patroclus. The second is how much the Olympians and other minor deities are thought to influence the events during this stretch of the war and how both mortals and immortals had to bow to Fate in all circumstances. The third is how ‘nationalistic’ the epic is in the Greek perspective because even though Hector is acknowledged the greatest mortal-born warrior in the war on both sides, as a Trojan he has to have moments of cowardice that none of the Greek heroes are allowed to exhibit and his most famous kill is enabled by Apollo instead of all by himself. And yet, even though Homer writes The Iliad as a triumphant Greek narrative the sections that have Hector’s flaws almost seem hollow as if Homer and his audience both subconsciously know that his epic is not the heroic wrath of Achilles but the tragic death of Hector. The Iliad is the ultimate classic literature and no matter your reading tastes one must read it to have a better appreciation for all of literature as a whole. Although the it was first written over 2500 years ago, it shows the duality of heroic feats and complete tragedy that is war. THE ODYSSEY The crafty hero of The Iliad is in the last leg of his long ten year journey home, but it not only his story that Homer relates to the reader in this sequel to the first war epic in literature. The Odyssey describes the Odysseus’ return to Ithaca after twenty years along with the emergence of his son Telemachus as a new hero while his faithful wife Penelope staves off suitors who are crowding their home and eating their wealth daily. Although the poem is named after his father, Telemachus’ “arc” begins first as the reader learns about the situation on Ithaca around Odysseus’ home and the search he begins for information on his father’s whereabouts. Then we shift to Odysseus on a beach longing to return home when he is informed his long sojourn is about to end and he sets off on a raft and eventually arrives among the Phaeacians, who he relates the previous ten years of his life to before they take him back home. On Ithaca, Odysseus and his son eventually meet and begin planning their revenge on the Penelope’s suitors that results in slaughter and a long-awaited family reunion with Penelope. First and foremost The Odyssey is about coming home, in both Telemachus’ and Odysseus’ arcs there are tales of successful homecomings, unsuccessful homecomings, and homecoming that never happen of heroes from The Iliad. Going hand-in-hand with homecomings is the wanderings of other heroes whose adventures are not as exciting or as long as Odysseus’. Interwoven throughout the poem with homecomings and wanderings is the relationship between guests and hosts along with the difference between good and bad for both that has long reaching consequences. And finally throughout Odysseus’ long journey there are tests everywhere of all types for him to overcome or fail, but the most important are Penelope’s both physical and intimate. Even though it is a sequel, The Odyssey is in complete contrast to The Iliad as instead of epic battle this poem focuses on a hero overcoming everything even the gods to return home. Suddenly the poet who gave readers a first-hand account of war shows his readers the importance of returning from war from the perspective of warriors and their families. Although they are completely different, The Odyssey in fact compliments The Iliad as well as completing it which means if you read one you have to read the other.

  28. 5 out of 5

    C.A.

    I absolutely love Greek myth, and after having seen so many renditions of both the Iliad and the Odyssey, I figured it was time to get around to reading the originals. I'll be honest, I wasn't overly impressed with the Iliad in its raw form. Whilst the story of Troy is a classic, I couldn't get past my absolute loathing of Agamemnon. He is truly an awful person. The first book of the Iliad could really be summarised as "Agamemnon throwing a tantrum because someone took his slave girl away and now I absolutely love Greek myth, and after having seen so many renditions of both the Iliad and the Odyssey, I figured it was time to get around to reading the originals. I'll be honest, I wasn't overly impressed with the Iliad in its raw form. Whilst the story of Troy is a classic, I couldn't get past my absolute loathing of Agamemnon. He is truly an awful person. The first book of the Iliad could really be summarised as "Agamemnon throwing a tantrum because someone took his slave girl away and now he can't rape her every night." Poor, mistreated Agamemnon. Does no one care about his suffering? The Odyssey was a very different story (and I can see why some scholars suggest the two stories/poems were actually written by different people.) The Odyssey details a wild adventure. There are gods and goddesses, witches, sea monsters, sirens, cyclopes, and more. Odysseus battles incredible odds to get home to his family, with the aid of the goddess Athene (who is the real hero of the story, let's be honest). Meanwhile, we also get to see Penelope, a clever, loyal and honourable woman who has to deal with a crowd of unruly men trying to take her home, while she waits for a husband who might never return. I also found The Odyssey to be much more varied (and therefore interesting) in its narrative, with the characters visiting different locations, and going through much more varied trials, such as outsmarting a monster, or bargaining with a witch, or making the terrible choice of who to sacrifice, as well as the trial of facing an enemy in their own home who they are completely unable to fight against. The Iliad is essentially divided into "men fighting on sand" and "men bickering in tents". All in all, I recommend The Odyssey for those of you who are after a classic tale sat against the backdrop of Greek mythology. If you want to see how a giant wooden horse brought down a city, skip The Iliad and read The Aeneid by Virgil instead.

  29. 5 out of 5

    Diane

    Très belle edition abrégée et en prose, parfaite pour une introduction à l'Iliade et l'Odyssée. De belles illustrations l'accompagnent. L'Iliade: L'iliade c'est en fait la dernière année de la guerre de Troie, guerre qui dura 10 ans. Elle oppose les Achéens (les Grecs) aux Troyens (Grecs aussi mais Grèce orientale ou Hittites?). L'objectif est de ramener Helene, la femme du roi Achéen Ménélas qui a été séduite et "volée" par un Troyen. Je m'attendais à être séduite par Achilles, mais c'est Hector Très belle edition abrégée et en prose, parfaite pour une introduction à l'Iliade et l'Odyssée. De belles illustrations l'accompagnent. L'Iliade: L'iliade c'est en fait la dernière année de la guerre de Troie, guerre qui dura 10 ans. Elle oppose les Achéens (les Grecs) aux Troyens (Grecs aussi mais Grèce orientale ou Hittites?). L'objectif est de ramener Helene, la femme du roi Achéen Ménélas qui a été séduite et "volée" par un Troyen. Je m'attendais à être séduite par Achilles, mais c'est Hector, le grand héros Troyen, qui m'a impressionnée par sa bravoure et son honneur. L'iliade se termine sur les funérailles d'Hector, tué par Hercules. L'Odyssée: C'est le récit du long voyage de retour d'Ulysse après la Guerre de Troie. Que de périples! Ulysse est tenté de se donner la mort, mais il fait preuve de résilience jusqu'au bout. Et après 10 années au fil desquelles il perd tous ses hommes et tous ses vaisseaux, il arrive finalement à Ithaque, l'île dont il est le roi. Mais il y a un dernier obstacle: il est parti depuis 10 ans et son épouse Pénélope est à bout d'imagination et de ressources pour repousser la myriade de prétendants qui veulent sa main, le trône d'Ulysse et sa fortune avec. Son fils Télémaque n'en mène pas large non plus. Mais Ulysse vient à bout de cette dernière épreuve. La fin est sanglante, mais après l'Iliade et ses tueries, ou l'Odyssée et ses cannibales, on ne va pas faire des chichis.

  30. 4 out of 5

    Lindolfo Rodrigues

    Historia grega, que já derivou varios livros, vale a pena ler bem sucinta e direta. A cidade de Troia que Homero descreve aqui, todos achavam que era uma lenda até encontrarem ruinas dela na decada de 50. Por isso ainda tem esperança pela cidade de Atlântida já que também a lenda vem de uma história grega.

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